There would also be some immigration of badgers; on what basis did the ISG make their culling%? I was nave and accepted science at face value. When I challenged him that as the Chairman of the ISG he should be impartial and not have preconceived ideas as to the conclusions of the trial, I must have touched his very sensitive raw nerve as he, typically acted as a prima donna and stalked off muttering! I heard the comment once that most badgers seen on roads are ones that have been shot illegally, or poisoned with Paracetamol, 1 tablet will kill a badger so I'm told. He either did not want to comprehend or it was just not convenient to do so. WebIf youre taking anti-coagulant drugs to thin your blood, such as low-dose aspirin or warfarin, youre best to avoid taking other NSAIDs or compound painkillers. It has generally been considered cheap, safe and effective. What we have to get across to people is that pain itself isnt doing any harm, its not something you can cure and sometimes it makes sense not to take anything. The Krebs trial as implemented by the ISG was a disaster. There is very It appears that Bourne had preconceived ideas and prejudices. Disturbingly there is an uncanny similarity between his science and behaviour and those involved with the badgers! A reactor is an animal that has received a challenge from bTB at least 6 weeks previously. Scientists do not have all the answers and most certainly Krebs doesnt. Farmers already over burdened with petty restrictions must not have to be burdened with the cost and the implementation of culling. The results of Defra's Road Traffic Accident survey, carried out in Cornwall, Devon, Dorset, Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Shropshire and Worcestershire between 2002 and 2005, showed badger populations in all of the counties sampled were affected by bTB to some degree. fight, or feel unwell. Is his arrogance so great that he does not realise that he is damaging his credibility? It was a very steep learning curve as to the behaviour of those involved. Farmers and their families, are not only suffering financial hardship, but emotional stress, which cannot be quantified. Any culling must be coordinated. tigger1946@fsmail.net, www.indymedia.org 5. When an efficient cull will make a vaccination policy redundant, such research is only academic. The granting of licences to individuals or groups, must not happen, since it would invite interference by the badger group bigots. This must involve culling the infected badgers over a large area; ideally, with the use of Polymerase chain reaction (PCRs) to identify infected setts. stomach pains, sickness, diarrhoea, and indigestion. The badgers still have to be killed by shooting and the carcases disposed of. His whole behaviour is of one who might be under pressure from a third party? This attitude must be abhorrent to all those who genuinely care for the environment. Its the same sort of concept.. Defra in their wisdom have disbanded their Wild Life dept.- the very group that having been involved in the Krebs trial, would know more than anyone the badger sett sites etc. Liver failure can be fatal. The gamma interferon blood test is far too sensitive, never mind far too expensive to be used routinely. It is an indication that they have failed to comprehend even the most elementary, common sense issues. 1. It is the equivalent of attempting to put the sparks from a large fire out, few of which could cause another small fire, rather than removing the source by extinguishing the original blaze. detecting clinically significant material. This has been my observation since. Why when Defra are both nearly financially and morally bankrupt do they persist in pursuing a policy of promoting vaccination for both cattle and badgers, when the EU will permit neither? No doubt their spin would claim that it was to prevent the cattle transmitting their TB to badgers! 6 comments, bad spelling pisses me off as do crap replies to intelligent posts, peter ambler WebLet him suffer and turn. That might seem a risk worth taking if it were not for recent research that suggests the drug either doesnt work, or has only a very small effect for most people. made for the farmers and for the TB The real problem is that the old model of judging drugs on the basis of research that averages out their effects makes little sense when these can vary dramatically between individuals. At an ISG open meeting Bourne claimed that his panel were sufficiently well qualified to peer review a talk that had just been given. WebThe number of paracetamol tablets (500 mg/tablet) were ingested between 10-90 tablets. management programme. Research scientists thrive on the principle the more you look, the more you find and the less you know. It is the typical behaviour of a bully boy unable to handle the novelty of legitimate criticism. from the environment have the same Another review of previous research published by Moore and colleagues last year found that paracetamol provided pain relief for some people with migraine and tension headaches, but was of little help for those with chronic back, cancer, post-operative, period and paediatric pain, as well as for rheumatoid and osteoarthritis. It is no more than a rehash of the ISGs final report. WebDisruption of badger communities. Bourne added his own rider to the terms of reference, virtually emasculating the trial before it had even commenced Since it would not be Politically, socially or economically acceptable, it would not be feasible for there to be a large scale cull of badgers. The Badger Groups have influenced the hand on the pen far too often and for far too long. In Ireland a Cull of Just badgers did not Help. It should start working within the hour and last for around five hours. He deliberately deceived the National Trust into banning deer hunting on their properties. A low level of M. bovis could be residual out to reduce unrealistic expectations. Making it easy to keep an eye on the UKs parliaments. In Europe bTB is not a problem. Support. Web"Midsomer Murders" The Killings at Badger's Drift (TV Episode 1997) cast and crew credits, including actors, actresses, directors, writers and more. These will be a potential source of infection to the cattle. Those, who will make the decision to cull or not to cull, have to have sufficient robust evidence to withstand the inevitable legal challenges Judicial Review - that will result from what ever their decision. Webkilling badgers with paracetamol; killing badgers with paracetamol. Empty the crushed paracetamol into a bowl; Add just a little of water; After that, stir until a paste forms. Posted on 11 Apr 2008 8:32 pm (Report this annotation). At around 2p per 500mg tablet, it certainly is cheap. Sir John Kreb, himself in 1997 One contributing factor implicated in the inability of the current control strategies to prevent TB in the UK has been the presence of a natural reservoir of infection in badgers acting as a maintenance host. by filling in setts, road kill, rat poison, paracetamol, antifreeze and random. an opportunity to define the practical Webbadgers are being given paracetamol tabs in apples so the wealthy can play golf /erewas golf course in sandiacre derby .have badgers coming on the golfcourse .so local landscape gardner .well known told me he has been drilling holes in apples rolling them down the sets .the badgers eat them .and die in pain over a period of time./all this The technical developments for M. Anyway, there is also already shortage of Veterinary man power to carry out such testing. This is a completely wrong assumption. County Show and made a statement You can take paracetamol as a tablet, capsule, liquid, or as tablets that dissolve in water. Prof. Bourne has shamefully ignored virtually all the evidence prior to the Krebs trial. Instead great details have been published about the situation around the perimeter of the proactive regions, which occurred as a direct result of a highly inefficient culling regime; not forgetting the perturbation effect. However, in spite of all its failings, it did confirm that infected badgers do transmit their TB to cattle. Install fencing around the perimeter of your yard, or around the problem area. Infected badgers, because they survive for years with their TB, behaving and breeding normally, are the most successful of reservoirs of infection. carbon monoxide gassing of badgers is active cell or a passive cell? interesting data. paulnew hampshirenew jerseynew mexiconew orleansnorth carolinanorth texasnycoklahomaphiladelphiapittsburghportlandrichmondrochesterrogue valleysaint louissan diegosan franciscosan francisco bay areasanta barbarasanta cruz, casarasotaseattletampa bayunited statesurbana-champaignvermontwestern massworcesterWest AsiaArmeniaBeirutIsraelPalestineTopicsbiotechProcessfbi/legal updatesmailing listsprocess & imc docstech. Krebs was ridiculously expensive for what it delivered. Science is the accumulation of knowledge; it does not have to be formal as papers in scientific journals or even reports, but knowledge gathered from decades of experience. He is also aware that it is In an attempt to support his theory that cattle movements were responsible for the cattle TB plight, Prof. Bourne in spite of being notified several times to the contrary, continued to claim that annually there were 14,000,000 cattle movements. deciding what is M. bovis as an animal About | The report is even more disappointing because, not only is it yet more time and money squandered, but an opportunity lost to promote with some conviction the way forward for the naive lay Politicians who have to make the decisions. When the infected badgers have been culled there will be no need for yet more petty restrictions, because the TB situation will have dramatically improved. ways forward. Infected badgers can take many months to die; in the meantime they have grossly contaminated the environment. Maybe this interpretive work 6. Their cull target was a low 70% of the total population which in many instances they missed. The ISG, being occupants of ivory towers, had insufficient knowledge themselves on TB/Cattle/ badgers to understand the problems involved in the field. Unless these badgers too are culled then the source of TB remains. the majority will be beef herds and samples or in throat This certainly applies to the pseudo-science in the ISGs final report. I assume that these sows were the badgers that were trapped and released in the report? If he was reported correctly, he was Since only a few individual badgers were culled from each sett/ social group, in many cases the social structure would basically remain intact. SUMMARY goes on in addition to the role with The long awaited publication of the Environment, Food and Rural Affairs Committees (EFRAC) report on Badgers and cattle TB is nothing short of an anti-climax. The reservoir of infection present in the wild life/badgers was still present. and the detection of TB Teens in the UK are killing badgers and other wildlife in a worrying trend, sparking concern among animal rights organizations. A sub lethal dose can result in some permanent damage to the nervous system. Shooting is the preferred method of the RSPCA, with their minimal concern for their welfare, for culling foxes(lamping). 4. Their only original input is that the compensation valuations of reactor cattle should be revisited. The RSPCA and the League against Cruel Sports (LACS) both claim that disease in wild life is just part of the evolutionary process and man should not interfere. We do not want a badger with TB on school property! (A different culture media is required for bTB than for human TB). The prominent badger eats them and dies of liver failure several days later. 3. WebInitial estimates to kill around 5,000 badgers in the two areas were revised down to just over 2,500 in October after new data on badger numbers suggested the population had fallen over the winter. are applied, the problems of For the first four years, the effort to remove badgers off the ground was farcical, due to the restrictions placed on us. environmental TB detection. Much rests on a means to control TB, easiest to solve. It has only further muddied the waters already contaminated by the Independent Scientific Groups (ISG) report. Defra in March 01 rightly made the decision to cull all the red deer in Charcote Park, Warwick after a few were found to have TB. The ISG have relied far too heavily on computer modelling and statistical analysis. farming circles, produced by Enigma No sow badgers in milk were culled to allow them to suckle and if infected, infect their cubs. Mobile | In 2013, the US Food and Drugs Administration (FDA) even issued warnings that taking paracetamol can, in some rare instances, cause potentially fatal skin conditions called Stevens-Johnson Syndrome, toxic epidermal necrolysis and acute generalised exanthematous pustulosis, which can cause the top layer of skin to become detached. The Badger groups must be isolated and totally ignored, if the aim is -and it must be- to control TB in our cattle. If the This is why there is so much noise, which is difficult to interpret. Your back aches from another day hunched over a keyboard. Security | It results in many, many more cattle being slaughtered unnecessarily. GPs wrote 22.5m prescriptions for it in 2013. When whole social groups are taken out at a time, re-colonisation would occur within months. What are synonyms for Killer badgers? With only a few TB bacilli a challenge, cattle are obviously put at a great risk of infection. Register today and take advantage of membership benefits. More than 70% of the badgers (24,645) were killed as a result of controlled shooting. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Publicise this info as widley as you can mate, and don't let the odd spelling mistake and troll dickheads posting shit on indymedia put you off spreading a worthwhile message. Brand names: Panadol, Calpol, Tylenol, Alvedon. Reports that gassing setts is not on the agenda, if correct will result in any cull going off at half cock. Does a cell killing are all included in the list of The extermination of the whole badger population in the UK is NOT on the agenda, only those populations infected with TB. Provided that the ISG report is INDEPENDENTLY reviewed, it is inevitable that, just like Batesons report on the deer was, it will be totally discredited and must be ignored. Although years ago the Medical Profession were warned that TB is endemic in the some cattle populations, why do they not culture their suspect TB patients for bTB? shoot badgers. It keeps them both funded and occupied. Badgers have to present themselves as suitable targets to be shot. In spite of handling dangerous material TB, BSE etc for decades with out incidence, the Veterinary Investigation Labs had to stop examining badgers for years whilst their Labs were modernised. testing method to assess the the new disease. years significant financial gains can be He fails to quote recent research in which swabs repeatedly taken from TB infected cattle were all negative. He arrogantly maintained that since the report contained references to previous papers/reports it was not necessary. the land. The poisoned badgers become comatose dying several days later. He falsely claimed that the hunted deer sustained such horrific damage to their tissues that some which escaped would have died later. D.J.B.Denny B.Vet.Med. Maximal binding to liver DNA, 8.4 +/- 3.1 pmol/mg of DNA, was observed at 2 h and declined rapidly to 2.6 pmol/mg at 24 h. Measurable binding (1.4 pmol/mg of DNA) was detected at 7 days. interpreting the results a second but an A wide range of veterinary CPD and resources by leading veterinary professionals. This method would however, successfully decommission the setts. By METHODS OF CULLING into the earth near a Such was the similarity, that nothing the ISG did or said surprised me. There must be an extensive public propaganda campaign to inform and educate them of the true scenario, countering the pseudo propaganda of the badger groups Privacy | Since the ISG in their final report have only used the data from confirmed breakdowns there would be a very significant number of herds (at least half on my patch) excluded from the statistics, because no lesions were present. The idea In order to have Tripp stab badger, you have to let the time run out for the choices. When EFRAC titled their report Badgers and cattle TB: the final report of the Independent Scientific Group on Cattle TB only an optimist could expect some original thinking. There would be carcases to dispose. Some concerns were raised about the possibility that long-term use of paracetamol could also cause internal bleeding, but the evidence for that was mixed for many years. However, in 2011, Professor Michael Doherty, a rheumatologist at Nottingham University, published a study looking at almost 900 patients aged 40 and older who took paracetamol, ibuprofen or a combination of both for chronic knee pain. then you shoot the badgers. He even amended Sir John Krebs proposed design of the trial. Co. extolled: people who, for a fee, will Death of the occupants would be instantaneous and there would be no carcases to be disposed. the third obstacle and fortunately the Many GPs are starting to take this more nuanced approach to the use of paracetamol. People dont necessarily look at the small print.. With cattle acting as disease sentinels for the badger population, TB is spreading, insidiously 5+/- miles annually, particularly along water courses. If you look at asthma or diabetes, these are really well self-managed conditions because people are empowered, but were not used to the concept of self-management of pain. local badger exterminators are being WebParacetamol is the most common medicine taken in overdose. He did, however claim that the reactive cull had been terminated prematurely. How many shooters would have a suitable dog? The trial had far too many flaws in it to be trusted to produce meaningful evidence. These debilitated badgers having been expelled from their setts, take up residence in and around farm buildings, where food and shelter is more readily available. Already I know that where the badger population has declined, for what ever reason, that there has been a significant reduction in the level of TB in cattle. 2 synonyms for ratel: honey badger, Mellivora capensis. Badgers, with multiple lesions (abscesses) in multiple organs, being in the terminal stages of advanced TB the super excreaters - are consequently highly infectious. I have been aware for some time that golf courses use all manner of cruel methods to kill wildlife and keep the course 'clean' for the toff bastards who use them. Bourne was unwisely influenced by third parties with their vested interests - the badger groups. Failure would be an absolute catastrophe for all involved. From all the evidence there must be a reservoir of infection other than cattle- in the wildlife population. reaction (PCR) tool. Contaminated setts must be decommissioned for many months to prevent infection of any new occupants. developments are awaited. dizziness. i believe its whats known as comedic 'irony'. The suggestion that there should be post movement testing of cattle, that have already been pre movement tested, prior to arrival would be yet another financial burden on the farmer. has recently trumpeted land that was occupied by badgers. The regular shooting around badger setts would be an obnoxious stimuli which would result in the badgers upping sticks and moving out to cause social unrest elsewhere. community and moved on. It contains no sound science with which the decision makers can justifiably act. Antonyms for Killer badgers. Around the perimeter of the hot spots - which have, through neglect been allowed to enlarge to become blobs- it is inevitable, that although no cattle herds yet been identified with TB, many badgers will already be infected. Of the 185 references in the final report, members of the ISG were co-authors of 26; another 58 were written by either their minions or Defra-(Bournes employer); only 52 had been peer reviewed (published in scientific journals). Many young badgers trapped had TB. the M. bovis excretors are removed from WebParacetamol. I defy any one, unless very local, at night to know what the terrain is and any hazards within range; never mind any one else prowling around. The also like dry conditions to live in their setts - having a roof of concrete or road is ideal. approval for the use of the smoky practical to identify the location of sick It is a crisis which has despicably been allowed by default, to escalate out of control for years. Our troops were sent to Iraq to be shot at and blown up, on a whim, which has resulted in the slaughter of hundreds and thousands of men women and children; yet there is a reluctance to sanction a cull of some badgers suffering with their TB, which would seriously improve the over all situation. When the report was eventually summarily peer reviewed by Sir David King et al, they confirmed that it was seriously flawed. scientific detection with badger culling This is what occurred in the 1960s. Compared to carbon monoxide, carbon dioxide would be far more user friendly for the operators. Vets may wish to encourage urgent In all species, stress and Paracetamol rose to prominence during the 1960s in the wake of fears that aspirin and other non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAIDs) such as ibuprofen could cause gastric bleeding, ulcers and other serious side-effects. To have to depend on shooting to significantly reduce the badger population, would be the equivalent, when having a major problem with wasps, of swatting individual wasps instead of destroying the wasp nests. D.J.B.Denny B.Vet.Med. effective way of culling the badgers is There is also an enormous source of information available from the very frustrated Veterinary Surgeons in the State Veterinary Service, who are Politically gagged for fear of their losing their pensions and jobs. However I do consider that to have some herds on a 4 year testing regime is far too long. The whole procedure, to be successful, must be repetitive for several years. House of Lords written question answered on 3rd April 2008. Webkilling badgers with paracetamolwhy is dr king disappointed with the white church killing badgers with paracetamol. bovis identification are one obstacle, Dosage form: effervescent tablet, intravenous (infusion) injection, orally disintegrating tablet, oral capsule, oral powder, oral suspension, oral tablet, suppository. Within a few weeks of a cull, other immigrating badgers will have occupied the vacated territory. Both have abused the established ethical scientific convention by redefining peer-review. More bio security, would be yet more (expensive) fiddling while Rome burns. Stress-free CPD tracking and certification, youll wonder how you coped without it. All those with decades of practical experience who have had the audacity to criticise him, have been subjected to the same treatment. Poisoning with paracetamol. in each region. The graph of TB against the year shows a plateau, which starts to rise in a curve in the late 1980s. Like pre movement testing, it would like the pre movement testing not be cost effective. that left that marker could well be dead Not all badger populations in Great Britain have been tested for bovine tuberculosis (bTB). The policy of only culling the satellite setts, occupied by the TB super excreater and not the infected badgers, which be occupying the main setts, although beneficial in improving the cattle TB situation in the short term, would in the long term only allows the perpetuation of the disease situation. Conrad shooting him is about as quick as it gets bud. In such cases, perhaps it makes sense for patients to take a greater role in managing their own treatment, working with medical professionals to find out what works for them. Now, however, Dr Martin Johnson of the RCGP says the status quo that drives GPs to prescribe prolonged use of paracetamol for millions of these patients no longer makes sense. There appears to have been reluctance in the past, no doubt influenced by the Badger Groups, to utilise all the potential evidence against the badger to establish the facts. Luckily badgers have relatively poor eyesight. A practical, cheap, sustainable, THE ISG HAVE MADE THEIR STORY UP TO FIT THEIR PRECONCEIVED PICTURE. Unhealthy badgers are Now farmers even know which end of the farm, or even a particular field, in which their cattle will become infected. Some of the extracts are below. trading restrictions. There are already badger latrines within 400 yards of Worcester City centre. Prof. Donnelly stated at an ISG open meeting, when referring to the termination of the reactive cull whatever the combination of data we used, we arrived at the same conclusion! In the UK, in draft guidelines issued in 2013, the National Institute for Health and Care Excellence (Nice) advised GPs that they should no longer prescribe paracetamol for osteoarthritis, suggesting it had limited benefit and highlighting links of higher doses to cardiovascular, gastrointestinal and renal problems. Its use should be confined to the bin, until the reservoir of infection has been removed. Agriculture attended the Devon So much for it being a trial! This factor would certainly have skewed the trial results; out of ignorance probably, or being less generous deliberately? Professors do not have a monopoly on knowledge. The data will become more Photograph: Joe Giddens/PA. A major weakness in the system is that reviewers have no access to the original data. Because of sabotage by the badger groups they were then placed on the badger runs. Very little. It has made me far more aware of their devious ways. Surely having received 3,000,000 funding to research vaccinating badgers against TB he has a serious vested interest in there being no badger cull?
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